
Nils Karsten's piece in the Pricked: Extreme Embroidery show, up through 4/27/08
When I first started Phantasmaphile in October of 2005, I wanted it to be a space where art, magic, and the imagination could intermingle and be celebrated with some amount of (I hope) intelligence and contemporary relevance. Though I had a stable of artists in my head whose work I couldn't wait to share, there was one artist in particular who I thought would be perfect to set the tone for this site. Nils Karsten was selected for my first artist post ever, due to his uncanny depictions of children's psyches, replete with all of their demons and marvels. While his work is beautifully fantastical, it also has a brutality that feels both honest and sophisticated. It is with great delight, then, that I unveil the interview below.
Phantasmaphile: How did you get started as an artist?
Nils Karsten: I always drew, but to be honest I never knew what it meant to be an artist until fairly recently. Nothing seemed as interesting as being an artist. And I didn't like the idea to pursue a second best choice without trying to be an artist first. I have to admit that I briefly went to law school and after dropping out I did and apprenticeship as a cabinet maker. Finishing all that I decided to become an artist. I still didn't know what that really meant and how I would become one. I moved to New York and went to SVA, which was a good start, but it didn't help much to feel like an artist either.
Ph: When did you finally start feeling like an artist?
NK: Before I thought of myself as an artist, I referred to myself as a painter. More as a job description than in any other meaningful way. I think it was after my Skowhegan artist residency in 2002 that I started to feel like an artist. The previous two years were very difficult for me, I questioned myself very much and the idea of being an artist. But all of a sudden I felt like I should just go for it, and not bail out (not really knowing what to bail out of anyway ... ). Having a real dialogue with fellow artists in Skowhegan really made the difference! Doubts are so much part of being an artist - and I wasn't the only one who had great doubts.
Ph: What are some of your influences?
NK: People and good stories. I love story tellers and pictures, but not together. I am always in for a good story, and I don't really care if it's a true story or not as long as it is a good one. Pictures always inspired me, especially old photographs and images in magazines. They had to be a little dated, so I could play time machine in my head.
I like good art. The first artist I really liked was Otto Dix, I got a catalogue of his work when I was 15 years old. I was drawn to these beautiful images of crippled soldiers and hookers during the post World War I area in Germany. I like many other artists for different reasons. Sigmar Polke, how he uses his studio almost as a laboratory always inventing and reinventing the use of images and narratives. Philip Guston is one of the greatest painters for me. I love Hans Bellmer. I like the German Surrealists of the 1930's in general quite a bit. Henry Darger, Marlene Dumas, Martin Kippenberger and the most contemporary of them all - Goya.
Ph: Your pieces almost exclusively depict children: both their innocence and wonder as well as a more grotesque, shadowy side. What is it about childhood that you find so compelling?
NK: We were all children at some point and relied on our imagination and the perceptions of adults to survive, which is quite a conflict. Childhood is traumatic; it's implied! I am interested in trauma, memory and Romanticism, but not just in childhood. Everything begins in childhood, maybe that's why my work focused so much on this first period of life as well, but I am moving on - as we do in life. I am lot more interested in detached Romanticism, psychology in general, and yes, still people including some children, but you'll have to wait a little bit to find out what I really mean by that. I am not completely sure yet either.
Ph: What was your own childhood like?
NK: My childhood was fine. Nothing terrible at all; that doesn't mean that it wasn't traumatic, but as I said before, that is what childhood is about. Of course I felt awkward at times, but don't we all do? Imagination and play are the weapons of a kid to deal with stuff. I had fun with it. Nevertheless, I like being an adult much better now.
Ph: I remember the first time I saw your work, and was struck by how brave it seemed for you to take these finely rendered graphite drawings and then seem to scribble madly over them. How did you come up with this technique? Is it scary at all to add this top layer of doodling?
NK: Drawing is playing a story for me. It's almost cinematic on a piece of paper, frames over frames. First you create a character or a thing, and then you might destroy it again. Maybe it becomes something else, or you just don't like it anymore, or you like it too much so you have to scribble over it to see how you feel afterwards. It's just like the Pirate who looses a leg and grows a beard during the course of making a drawing. The final drawing is the residue of the battle.
Ph: Your most recent solo show at the Marvelli Gallery seemed to be a bit of a departure for you: what made you want to switch from graphite to paint for this show?
NK: I wanted to have a good reason to make large paintings on paper. I painted on canvas before - fairly large, but I was never quite happy with the surface quality. I tried to paint on wood as well, but I always liked paper the best. The big breakthrough came when I used a small brush with india ink on large sheets of paper. I immediately loved it - it felt somewhere between using a paintbrush and using a graphite pencil. And I solved the scale problem as well. It's funny, but that took me seven years to figure out. Drawing is very intimate. It's the pencil, the paper and basically my wrist, that's it. I wanted to be more physical. I loved the fact that I had to climb on a ladder 40 times a day to work on those large pieces. It's a more physical experience for the viewer as well. I feel that my small drawings operate on a more psychological level, and the large, painterly pieces are a lot more emotional, but maybe that's just me.
Ph: What is your process like? Is there a specific set of circumstances that you set up beforehand (a certain time, particular music, etc), or is it more free-flowing than that?
NK: It's free-flowing to a point, but it involves preparation and planning as well. I have a lot of ideas - constantly. I don't think good ideas make necessarily good art. You have to sort them out and/or let them transform during the process of making a piece. I have to admit that I think a lot more now than I use to do, but I would still describe my process as non-linear. I like to invent techniques, I love to steal images and ideas and make them mine. My studio is very important to me, it's a sanctuary and a torture chamber at the same time - and that's what I need, a certain amount of tension, conflict, but also some feel-good moments. During the day I am listening to NPR. In the evening it's music. I love to finish a working day with a couple of beers examining the result of that particular day. This can be a pleasant experience or quite depressing.
Ph: You piece in the Pricked: Extreme Embroidery show at MAD is breathtaking. There is a silvery, almost lunar sheen to the piece that seems to echo that of pencil lines. How did this piece come about?
NK: I was invited by Pearl Lam to make a functional piece in Shanghai that combines traditional Chinese crafts with my own work. I could have done anything from ceramics to jade carving, but I was very much interested in embroidery. I love drawing, and I wanted to see how far I could push it with embroidery. I really thought it might not work out and will look a little cheesy in the end, but when I saw the first small sample I was completely convinced. I picked silk that looked like the off-white of the paper that I am using, and the silk thread had to resemble the graphite of the pencils I am using. It worked out very well. The fact that somebody else was making the piece was quite intriguing to me. All the little mistakes were embroidered as well including some pixels that showed up on the large computer print of the drawing that weren't really there. I thought that was beautiful.
Ph: What is your favorite sight, taste, sound, touch, smell?
NK: I could give you a million answers here. Well, I love JFK airport after being away from New York for a very long time!
Ph: What are your next plans?
NK: I am working on a new body of work! I am very excited about the beginnings, but can't tell you much more at this point. A couple of shows later this year and I might go to China again this summer for a little follow up piece.
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